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Motioncorey wrote Nobody ever said all lives don't matter. BLM is saying they matter too. Are you saying it's wrong for me to say BLM? Are you going to get offended by that? Annoyed? Because we're not saying all lives matter?

People scream Blue Lives Matter because innocent cops were killed yet refused to shout black lives matter when a innocent black man was killed. Then they all just ASSUME they have a criminal record every single time to justify that the killing wasn't wrong.


I see it as this, if you aren't in that position, you'll never understand no matter how hard you try. Using statistics won't change how people feel about their loved ones getting shot.
AND no one said black lives dont matter, end of convo
Really? Because thoughtout America's history, there have been people who claim only white lives matter. But I guess we're going to ignore that right?
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Motioncorey wrote
SanctorumJR wrote
Motioncorey wrote Nobody ever said all lives don't matter. BLM is saying they matter too. Are you saying it's wrong for me to say BLM? Are you going to get offended by that? Annoyed? Because we're not saying all lives matter?

People scream Blue Lives Matter because innocent cops were killed yet refused to shout black lives matter when a innocent black man was killed. Then they all just ASSUME they have a criminal record every single time to justify that the killing wasn't wrong.


I see it as this, if you aren't in that position, you'll never understand no matter how hard you try. Using statistics won't change how people feel about their loved ones getting shot.
AND no one said black lives dont matter, end of convo
Really? Because thoughtout America's history, there have been people who claim only white lives matter. But I guess we're going to ignore that right?
You realize that was a long ass time ago right? Nobody in todays society says "black lives don't matter", except for the fading racists, as one guy here said.
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BLM honestly is based around a lie. Yea cops kill black people sometimes, and white, and every other race if it's necessary, but you know the #1 cause of black deaths? Other black people.

It's true, and statistics back it up. More white people than black people are killed by cops every year, and more black people are killed by other black people than any other race every single year.

More proof of that, is that some of the violence caused by BLM, resulted in the deaths, or multiple black police officers. A movement called Black Lives Matter, is responsible for killing a black police officer.

I don't support them in any way, and the idiots who are blocking freeways are gonna piss people off to a point where they just run them over, and I'm not gonna feel 1 drop of remorse because they're the idiots that are in the road in the first place.
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-Zed wrote the idiots who are blocking freeways are gonna piss people off to a point where they just run them over, and I'm not gonna feel 1 drop of remorse


You're a psychopath.
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Lavish wrote
-Zed wrote the idiots who are blocking freeways are gonna piss people off to a point where they just run them over, and I'm not gonna feel 1 drop of remorse


You're a psychopath.


Actually I'm a pretty level-headed guy, but if I were an idiot standing in the middle of a freeway holding a sign that supports a movement that condones the killing of cops, I wouldn't be too surprised if I were hit either.

I'm not unstable, nor am I aggressive, I just call it how I see it. I wouldn't run any of them over personally, but if someone does, I'm not gonna cry over it, they shouldn't have been blocking a freeway for normal people who just wanna get to work on time, much less should an emergency vehicle need to get through with their stupid asses blocking everything.
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-Zed wrote
Lavish wrote
-Zed wrote the idiots who are blocking freeways are gonna piss people off to a point where they just run them over, and I'm not gonna feel 1 drop of remorse


You're a psychopath.


Actually I'm a pretty level-headed guy, but if I were an idiot standing in the middle of a freeway holding a sign that supports a movement that condones the killing of cops, I wouldn't be too surprised if I were hit either.

I'm not unstable, nor am I aggressive, I just call it how I see it. I wouldn't run any of them over personally, but if someone does, I'm not gonna cry over it, they shouldn't have been blocking a freeway for normal people who just wanna get to work on time, much less should an emergency vehicle need to get through with their stupid asses blocking everything.

Not caring about death doesn't seem level headed. Not caring about a protesters death is just the flip-side of not caring about police deaths. I feel both are problematic. "Calling it how you see it" doesn't mean you're not aggressive or unstable. I'm not saying you are, but "calling it how you see it" is a terrible argument. I totally understand the anger if people have an emergency and need to get somewhere. As for the others, that is kind of the point really. If people aren't going to listen to them, they will make them. If the city doesn't want these "inconveniences," then they should listen to them and do something to change things. We can debate on if blocking traffic is the best thing to do, but I feel it can be an effective strategy. Ignore people long enough and they may do something that can't be ignored.
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Tiffxny wrote Are you saying Black peoples lives aren't important?


I'm saying I don't run around saying "white lives matter" even though more white people die than black people from cops. No one is going around saying black lives don't matter besides the occasional fastly fading racist. All lives matter, it doesn't matter if you're white, black, Asian, Mexican, native, German, Russian, it just doesn't matter. All lives matter, don't start movements saying "black lives matter", that's pretty racist in my mind. Hell I've always wanted to walk the streets with a banner saying white lives matter and see how many people join me.


Obviously more white people will be killed by cops than black people when 72% of your population is white and 12% is black, but the truth is black people have a way higher chance of getting killed compared to white people
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The problem with Black Lives Matter is that it's not only black people clashing with white people, but it's black people clashing with other black people.

Black people have a history of fighting against oppression, but they also have a history of doing that in very different ways.
The violent protesters that we see on the news are the embodiment of the philosophy espoused by Malcolm X, that violent protest is the only way to overcome oppression.
The peaceful, and I would argue the majority of, Black Lives Matter protesters are the embodiment of the philosophy espoused by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
The same philosophy used by Gandhi to overcome the oppressors facing his people in India.
The same philosophy used by Thich Quang Duc when he self immolated to protest the oppression of Buddhist monks by the South Vietnamese government.

Malcolm X's philosophy is pure utilitarianism.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, so being violent to one person is justified if it means that the thousands protesting with you gain from it.
Hannah Arendt, a German philosopher, explained the problem with this kind of thought quite succinctly:
"Crimes against human rights can always be justified by the pretext that right is equivalent to being good or useful for the whole in distinction to its parts."

Almost everyone recognizes that this is a problem and - subconsciously or otherwise - when we see it happening in the real world we recognize it and dislike it.
This is what Martin Luther King Jr., Thich Quang Duc, Gandhi, and early feminists understood about the human mind.

I'll demonstrate this point with one of the most well known thought experiments ever put to paper. The Trolley Problem.

There is a trolley on a track hurtling towards five tied up people but there is a person standing in front of you and if you push them onto the track the five people will have time to escape.
Do you push them?

    - The Malcolm X inspired Black Lives Matter people would say yes because they subscribe to pure utilitarianism.
    - The neutral, "property damage is OK" protesters would let the 5 people die because it's too morally ambiguous.
    - Thich Quang Duc, on the other hand, would do something that most people don't even consider an option. He would willingly throw himself in front of the trolley to save the five people.


This is why we see peaceful protesters being beaten and feel outraged. This is why peaceful protest works and this is why violent protest does not.
To the majority of people, if you push that person in front of the trolley you are a murderer, if you kill a police officer to end inequality against black people, you are a murderer.

Just as, to the majority of people, if you believe in your cause so much so that you would sit quietly and be beaten by your oppressors, Gandhi, walk in front of the kings horse and be trampled to death, Emily Davison [Suffragette], or burn yourself alive in protest, Thich Quang Duc, you are a hero.
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