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This is a subject that really gets to me. There are many situations in which I am browsing the internet or Youtube, and come across comments from people that are Anti-Military. I understand that there is the first amendment and that everyone has the right to free speech, but it just erks me when it comes to this subject. I have friends and family that are in the military so it hits me personally.

To be a bit more specific on my rant I was watching videos about the American Sniper Chris Kyle. He died recently and people flock to these videos to say really inappropriate things about a hero.

Many of these comments range from to basic themes, "Oh good, another murderer dead." to "The military aren't heros, they should all be killed." I don't get how people can say these things about someone who as dedicated his life to protecting this country. I've even witnessed people calling Marines murders as they walk by them.

One of the main comments that drove me to making this rant was this:

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Comments like these where they talk about the men and woman of the armed forces like they are criminals get to me the most. They are not criminals. They are risking their lives to protect their country. I guess the bottom line of my rant is that people in the Armed Forces deserve our respect for what they are doing.

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terrorists are good guys in their countries, but bad here. Marines are heros in the US but are terrorists in other countries.

I am anti military, but I respect people who serve, I respect everyone until they give me a reason to dislike them.
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I see what you're saying. I am an American and against the Military. I only am because what they do now is wrong. Blind Americans perceive theyre protecting our freedoms. They fight for corporate greed. I dont think its fitting to call them heroes. I love this country but I dont like the government or what we're doing. I have a Libertarian stance on things. I dont mean to offend any one but its just my point of view on this.
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I see the military as a necessary evil. I don't think that they should be venerated as heroes because they killed someone who might have been a threat to me and my family somewhere in the Middle East.
I'd rather reserve the title of 'Hero' for doctors, fire fighters, and the police [in some cases.]

Just because someone joined the military doesn't automatically make them a hero, that's what annoys me about American patriotism, and even British patriotism.

It is also down to the soldier to decide what is right, and what is wrong.
We don't accept the 'I was just following orders' excuse from German soldiers who guarded Auschwitz, so why should we accept it from our own soldiers when they blow up a house full of civilians to get one possible terrorist?
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Ruvik wrote I see the military as a necessary evil. I don't think that they should be venerated as heroes because they killed someone who might have been a threat to me and my family somewhere in the Middle East.
I'd rather reserve the title of 'Hero' for doctors, fire fighters, and the police [in some cases.]

Just because someone joined the military doesn't automatically make them a hero, that's what annoys me about American patriotism, and even British patriotism.

It is also down to the soldier to decide what is right, and what is wrong.
We don't accept the 'I was just following orders' excuse from German soldiers who guarded Auschwitz, so why should we accept it from our own soldiers when they blow up a house full of civilians to get one possible terrorist?
Couldn't agree more. There's more to it but you got some good points.
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BSM wrote terrorists are good guys in their countries, but bad here. Marines are heros in the US but are terrorists in other countries.


That is complete BS.

The president of Afghanistan just gave us the go-ahead on night raids in his country.
ISIS is terrorizing Syria, kidnapping children and women everywhere.

PJDUNN wrote Blind Americans perceive theyre protecting our freedoms.

TIL I'm blind because I disagree with "PJDUNN".
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Ruvik wrote I see the military as a necessary evil. I don't think that they should be venerated as heroes because they killed someone who might have been a threat to me and my family somewhere in the Middle East.
I'd rather reserve the title of 'Hero' for doctors, fire fighters, and the police [in some cases.]

Just because someone joined the military doesn't automatically make them a hero, that's what annoys me about American patriotism, and even British patriotism.

It is also down to the soldier to decide what is right, and what is wrong.
We don't accept the 'I was just following orders' excuse from German soldiers who guarded Auschwitz, so why should we accept it from our own soldiers when they blow up a house full of civilians to get one possible terrorist?
Hitler's army is a different situation ran by a different government. Americans don't enslave millions of people just to create a perfect race.. Also, the only reason that German generals and military were being pursued is because of war crimes. They knew from the get go what they were doing was wrong.
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ProJimmyRustler wrote
Ruvik wrote I see the military as a necessary evil. I don't think that they should be venerated as heroes because they killed someone who might have been a threat to me and my family somewhere in the Middle East.
I'd rather reserve the title of 'Hero' for doctors, fire fighters, and the police [in some cases.]

Just because someone joined the military doesn't automatically make them a hero, that's what annoys me about American patriotism, and even British patriotism.

It is also down to the soldier to decide what is right, and what is wrong.
We don't accept the 'I was just following orders' excuse from German soldiers who guarded Auschwitz, so why should we accept it from our own soldiers when they blow up a house full of civilians to get one possible terrorist?
Hitler's army is a different situation ran by a different government. Americans don't enslave millions of people just to create a perfect race.. Also, the only reason that German generals and military were being pursued is because of war crimes. They knew from the get go what they were doing was wrong.


Completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

A soldier in an army, no matter what that army has been ordered to do or why, should recognise if what they are doing is good or bad.
Killing a bunch of civilians to get one terrorist is bad, just like keeping people in Auschwitz was bad.

Whatever is going on around that soldier's decision is irrelevant.
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Ruvik wrote
ProJimmyRustler wrote
Ruvik wrote I see the military as a necessary evil. I don't think that they should be venerated as heroes because they killed someone who might have been a threat to me and my family somewhere in the Middle East.
I'd rather reserve the title of 'Hero' for doctors, fire fighters, and the police [in some cases.]

Just because someone joined the military doesn't automatically make them a hero, that's what annoys me about American patriotism, and even British patriotism.

It is also down to the soldier to decide what is right, and what is wrong.
We don't accept the 'I was just following orders' excuse from German soldiers who guarded Auschwitz, so why should we accept it from our own soldiers when they blow up a house full of civilians to get one possible terrorist?
Hitler's army is a different situation ran by a different government. Americans don't enslave millions of people just to create a perfect race.. Also, the only reason that German generals and military were being pursued is because of war crimes. They knew from the get go what they were doing was wrong.


Completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

A soldier in an army, no matter what that army has been ordered to do or why, should recognise if what they are doing is good or bad.
Killing a bunch of civilians to get one terrorist is bad, just like keeping people in Auschwitz was bad.

Whatever is going on around that soldier's decision is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? You were, in a way, comparing America's army to Hitler's. I pointed out why that was flawed. It is relevant. If a soldier in Hitler's army disobeyed orders, he'd be killed.

They don't "Kill a bunch of civilians". Very rarely, if at all, does that happen and the ones that do get charged for the crime. If a civilian winds up dead and it is believed to be by an american, they do a very extensive investigation. Any thing that the american army does isn't just "Lets bomb this place and hope we get terrorist". It's a very strategic attack that they get permission to do.
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ProJimmyRustler wrote
Ruvik wrote
ProJimmyRustler wrote
Ruvik wrote I see the military as a necessary evil. I don't think that they should be venerated as heroes because they killed someone who might have been a threat to me and my family somewhere in the Middle East.
I'd rather reserve the title of 'Hero' for doctors, fire fighters, and the police [in some cases.]

Just because someone joined the military doesn't automatically make them a hero, that's what annoys me about American patriotism, and even British patriotism.

It is also down to the soldier to decide what is right, and what is wrong.
We don't accept the 'I was just following orders' excuse from German soldiers who guarded Auschwitz, so why should we accept it from our own soldiers when they blow up a house full of civilians to get one possible terrorist?
Hitler's army is a different situation ran by a different government. Americans don't enslave millions of people just to create a perfect race.. Also, the only reason that German generals and military were being pursued is because of war crimes. They knew from the get go what they were doing was wrong.


Completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

A soldier in an army, no matter what that army has been ordered to do or why, should recognise if what they are doing is good or bad.
Killing a bunch of civilians to get one terrorist is bad, just like keeping people in Auschwitz was bad.

Whatever is going on around that soldier's decision is irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant? You were, in a way, comparing America's army to Hitler's. I pointed out why that was flawed. It is relevant. If a soldier in Hitler's army disobeyed orders, he'd be killed.

They don't "Kill a bunch of civilians". Very rarely, if at all, does that happen and the ones that do get charged for the crime. If a civilian winds up dead and it is believed to be by an american, they do a very extensive investigation. Any thing that the american army does isn't just "Lets bomb this place and hope we get terrorist". It's a very strategic attack that they get permission to do.


No. In no way whatsoever did I compare the American army to Hitler's army.
I was comparing single soldiers, I could have done it with any country in the world.

I also said nothing about them being killed for not following orders, I said we don't accept the excuse that they were 'Just following orders.' Maybe you do, but any time one of these men is outed there's always a public outcry for them to be imprisoned.

We'll never get the real numbers on how many civilians have been killed by the US army because of things like this being kept secret:
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It does happen, and it has happened.
It is down to the soldiers in those situation to say 'No.'
Just like it was down to the Auschwitz guard to say 'No.' the only difference is the Auschwitz guard had a gun to their head the entire time.
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